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We need a SeC [Poll]

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We need a SeC [Poll]

Post  Chris10023 on Sat Dec 07, 2013 4:14 pm

We've been needing a SeC for a while now, anyone think that we need a SeC, cause we haven't have very many promotions since Noob left

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Re: We need a SeC [Poll]

Post  General Bravo on Sat Dec 07, 2013 4:15 pm

Frankly, there haven't been a whole lot of people doing much of anything special to where I think they've earned it. Getting rid of quotas made promotions very subjective, and my standards are high. I have to be impressed ICly and sometimes a little bit OOCly.

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Re: We need a SeC [Poll]

Post  Chris10023 on Sat Dec 07, 2013 4:56 pm

The whole point to having a SeC is to balance the power between the SeC and CmD, currently you have all of the power, no one but Holler got promoted after Noobs pc broke. I believe this goes deeper than "The SeC doesn't do much"

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Re: We need a SeC [Poll]

Post  HollerHavoc on Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:12 pm

I am remaining neutral on this for now. Though SeC does balance power, I don't think it is all going directly to general bravo. There are still DvL's which provide a significant amount of officer power to the CCA. And we even still have Dr. Hiroshi Saga to balance power in the CCA if we need anybody. The Admin out rules SeC and CmD. But for now, SeC really isn't THAT needed, though I wouldn't really mind you becoming SeC, I just don't see a reason to really have it in. We could wait for Noobstrike to come back for SeC to return even.

The SeC really shouldn't be what we are worrying about frankly. We should be worrying about establishing a player base before worrying about anything else.

Once again, my opinion on the matter is Neutral, not voting.

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Re: We need a SeC [Poll]

Post  Chris10023 on Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:39 pm

Colonel HollerHavoc wrote:We could wait for Noobstrike to come back for SeC to return even.
Noob gave up his SeC position for someone else to use

Noobstrike wrote:Sector can either go right to Bravo or you guys could vote someone else if he doesn't want it. ICly idk. 00707 went off to canada to erect an army of hockey players for world conquest with bravos star fleet.

Whoever takes it, you will probably wind up keeping it since I have no idea how long I might be, and I dont want to have you take it, then feel all cool and sextor ish for a long time, and then I suddenly come back and am like *Yoink*. Notfair.jpg. (Unless of course you want to give it back to noob but Im not gonna place you in the gas chamber if you don't)

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Re: We need a SeC [Poll]

Post  Silver on Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:46 pm

I don't know. The population is low atm, so I think that just the CmD will be enough for now. Also, I do think that too many high rank characters "spoil the fun" for any newcomers. There need to be CCA on the street, who are not necessarily high ranks. Adding a SeC will only decrease that number.

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Re: We need a SeC [Poll]

Post  HollerHavoc on Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:47 pm

Chris10023 wrote:
Noobstrike wrote:>you guys could
I know he did give it up, but it doesn't really matter, I don't really see a huge important reason to, even though sector is important in my eyes.

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Re: We need a SeC [Poll]

Post  Zaughi on Sat Dec 07, 2013 10:09 pm

As it is only a 20-slot server, I'd recommend merging the SeC and CmD. I think Bravo would do very well with such a position.

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Re: We need a SeC [Poll]

Post  Magnum on Sun Dec 08, 2013 1:16 pm

Zaughi wrote:As it is only a 20-slot server, I'd recommend merging the SeC and CmD. I think Bravo would do very well with such a position.
Im going with zaughi on this one for once
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Re: We need a SeC [Poll]

Post  Zaughi on Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:24 pm

Ohai Magnum. Haven't seen you in a while.

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Re: We need a SeC [Poll]

Post  DIABLO258 on Sun Dec 08, 2013 5:33 pm

Poll will end at 6PM central. 2 and a half hours from now.

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Re: We need a SeC [Poll]

Post  Atlas on Sun Dec 08, 2013 5:35 pm

Zaughi wrote:As it is only a 20-slot server, I'd recommend merging the SeC and CmD. I think Bravo would do very well with such a position.
I agree with this. I understand you want to be SeC, but who doesn't? So I say leave the SeC out for now.

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Re: We need a SeC [Poll]

Post  Chris10023 on Sun Dec 08, 2013 5:42 pm

Atlas wrote:
Zaughi wrote:As it is only a 20-slot server, I'd recommend merging the SeC and CmD. I think Bravo would do very well with such a position.
I agree with this. I understand you want to be SeC, but who doesn't? So I say leave the SeC out for now.
Well in this case Bravo would get SeC, which is fine, but the fact that no one had a problem with the SeC until Noob gave it up is what I am trying to figure out, something doesn't add up here.

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Re: We need a SeC [Poll]

Post  DIABLO258 on Sun Dec 08, 2013 6:50 pm

No one had a problem until Noob left because no one knew what it was like without an SeC until Noob left. After Apex got removed for not really doing anything, its easy to say that CmD and SeC together dont get "more" done, then without CmD or SeC. Removing the CmD would be the same as removing the SeC at this point. Which ever one goes, they both would get the same priorities.

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Re: We need a SeC [Poll]

Post  Chris10023 on Sun Dec 08, 2013 6:55 pm

DIABLO258 wrote:No one had a problem until Noob left because no one knew what it was like without an SeC until Noob left. After Apex got removed for not really doing anything, its easy to say that CmD and SeC together dont get "more" done, then without CmD or SeC. Removing the CmD would be the same as removing the SeC at this point. Which ever one goes, they both would get the same priorities.
So if we eliminated the SeC, the same ruels would apply to the CmD? right? like he can't leave the nexus and has to read reports and such?

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Re: We need a SeC [Poll]

Post  DIABLO258 on Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:48 pm

Well yeah. If the SeC goes, all of that goes to CmD. If CmD goes, all of that goes to SeC.

Apex went, nothing went anywhere because shit never happened.

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Re: We need a SeC [Poll]

Post  Noobstrike on Tue Dec 10, 2013 9:38 pm



Whoooaaaaaaoaoaoa wait what. When I said I was opening up SeC to whoever, I didn't mean remove the position entirely. There needs to be a balance in power, every leader needs a right wing. Another mind-set to listen to. Also, the CmD was the ground unit who carried out the Sectors larger orders. The CmD saw much more action in the field, and stood in the sectors place in dangerous situations or when the sector couldn't be there. I still think there should be two CCA high command positions along with administrator. The combine govt. may be all-ruling and control it's citizens, but it's not exactly a dictatorship as far as specific cities. Now we can choose to not temporarily not have a CmD and look for someone to fill the slot while Bravo moves up to SeC...but I wouldn't delete the two-leader system entirely...

Hitler needs his Rommel y'know?

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Re: We need a SeC [Poll]

Post  General Bravo on Tue Dec 10, 2013 9:49 pm

Well, rumor has it you may or may not be joining us again sometime after Christmas, so I'm planning on postponing any decisions on this and waiting until then to see if there's any truth to that matter.


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Re: We need a SeC [Poll]

Post  DIABLO258 on Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:53 pm

Is it just me, or have I seen a complete change in regional dominance here.

Nazi's losing to the Generals Army?

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Re: We need a SeC [Poll]

Post  Chris10023 on Wed Dec 11, 2013 12:09 am

Noobstrike wrote:

Whoooaaaaaaoaoaoa wait what. When I said I was opening up SeC to whoever, I didn't mean remove the position entirely. There needs to be a balance in power, every leader needs a right wing. Another mind-set to listen to. Also, the CmD was the ground unit who carried out the Sectors larger orders. The CmD saw much more action in the field, and stood in the sectors place in dangerous situations or when the sector couldn't be there. I still think there should be two CCA high command positions along with administrator. The combine govt. may be all-ruling and control it's citizens, but it's not exactly a dictatorship as far as specific cities. Now we can choose to not temporarily not have a CmD and look for someone to fill the slot while Bravo moves up to SeC...but I wouldn't delete the two-leader system entirely...

Hitler needs his Rommel y'know?

Which is my point I made earlier.

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Re: We need a SeC [Poll]

Post  Noobstrike on Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:55 pm

General Bravo wrote:Well, rumor has it you may or may not be joining us again sometime after Christmas, so I'm planning on postponing any decisions on this and waiting until then to see if there's any truth to that matter.


I plan to be back as soon as I get my desktop back, the problem is I have absolutely NOOOOO clue when that is. I don't have any control of any rumors that may/may not be going around cause I can't get on steam but...eventually yes for sure I plan to come back and be active in the server, I just don't have a set time for that. For now I'm stuck on the forum. Thats why I wanted to open up my "Active" position of Sector to you.

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Re: We need a SeC [Poll]

Post  //DarkPossum\\ on Wed Dec 11, 2013 7:50 pm

DIABLO258 wrote:Is it just me, or have I seen a complete change in regional dominance here.

Nazi's losing to the Generals Army?

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// You forget about Kommandant Possum. Kommandant is German military, not all hope is lost.

And more on topic, we do need a SeC. SeC and CmD play completely different roles. SeC was more like an administrator with guns and slightly less power, but CmD was a soldier with leadership experience.

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