Biogel is being used incorrectly. Time to set some laws.

So I have seen biogel being used incorrectly we need some ground rules when it comes to Biogel.







Pros
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-Increases Mitosis (cells regenerate and repair faster)
-Provides a barrier on the wound.
-Provides antibiotics to prevent infection.
-Wounds heal faster (a gunshot wound would only take 2-3 days to heal rather then a month)
-Can be ingested to help with internal wounds.
-Not difficult to administer with little medical training.

Cons
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-Chance to cause scarring.
-Causes stinging if used without a sedative.
-Reactive to certain chemicals


Usage
You will apply it directly on the area to invoke the effects. If you have a wound and it is being treated, your body will need to heal itself. Biogel only helps treat the wound fast. You must administer a sedative on larger wounds, can be severely painful if not administered properly. Used commonly in the HELIX Division.






UPDATE: REMOVED SUPER BIO GEL!

UPDATED TO HOLLER'S VERSION.

+support if you like this. -support if you don't and say why.

Actually, I don't believe that it leave scarring. It multiplies and replicates cells to seal a wound/scar. Although people are acting like it instantly heals a wound. The bigger the wound the harder it is for the bio gel to heal it. It will take a day two for it to fully heal. Maybe even 3

Okay, well I want people to contribute because this is not my idea. It is an idea based off a forums post from another community.

Please give me your ideas to make this correct for TC's lore.

Gremnkai wrote:Actually, I don't believe that it leave scarring. It multiplies and replicates cells to seal a wound/scar. Although people are acting like it instantly heals a wound. The bigger the wound the harder it is for the bio gel to heal it. It will take a day two for it to fully heal. Maybe even  3

Maybe not necessarily scarring but definitely a different appearance in the skin. The bio-gel would help heal the wound, but not re-create the skin that was there. Perhaps something that would look like a birth-mark.

It would look different to other people as it would replicate the skin AROUND the wound instead of the skin where the wound was. So it assumes that the skin is the same. Lets say part of your hand gets lost near your arm. It would replicate the skin from your arm making that part of your hand significantly weaker. The skin on your hand is the thickest part of the skin.

I'll take out scarring, anything else?

I understand where the cancer thing came from, but I'm still basing all my thoughts off deadcherrys old rules.

I don't think its going to CAUSE cancer, simply because thats what it's based off of. The combine created the gel from a widely known human disease, and used the potential of the constant cell growth. Cancer creates dead cells. The combine manages to mix the correct chemicals to make a gel which creates live cells, so...bio-gel isn't going to randomly kaputt and start making cancer. Can too many live cells be a bad thing? Idk.

Bio-gel literally goes into the first cell or two it touches, replicates it, and begins using the DNA strands and color pigments in the skin to re-create new cells. I'm not really sure how the whole "marks" left behind would work. If you use bio-gel on your arm which is tan, all the gel which touches the your skin will be modified to your arm. Like..makes a copy of the cells and starts growing them. This is hard to explain...
So if you were to put bio-gel on your arm, then on your leg, the bio-gel would be like "wtf?" and start replicating your arms skin cells on your leg or something. Or maybe it forgets the arm and goes to replicate your leg. Depends on how advanced we want to make it.

But yeah. It's a general purpose thing. Binds bones togather over time, re-creates skin cells for sealing, creates white blood cells to fight infection, etc.

Basically a green blob of shit that copies the first living thing it touches and spams it everywhere.

\I'm going with a Probably shouldn't bother because even though people can get really anal about serious rping every little detail, I SERIOUSLY doubt that everyone would really actually go and obey a law that says
________________________________________________________
|||Attention Motherfuckers:::
You must rp the following effects of biogel, its the law bitch.
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They'd probably end up forgetting, that and we'd be the only server that probably does this.

Actually I think instead we should just go and say, "Biogel does not insta fix you up like in the HL2 Campaign, you don't have a million dollar suit [or was that a billion dollar suit?] that injects morphine whenever you fracture your bones or get shot or something, and you don't have on-board medical systems either."
Or something like that.
We don't actually NEED these rules, just go and remind people that you don't get insta-healed by bio-gel.

Also yeah scars are non-existent if biogel is applied.

Besides this seems like something because of a pet peeve. Not an actual problem on the server, we've had insta-heal bio-gel done by plenty of people before and it never really did anything bad before.

Too many living cells will create a tumor. Cancer is from too many (living) cells that just keep replicating non stop. It is just when cells keep multiplying which makes a tumor. So it it makes cells, there could be a possible risk for cancer.


As for the arm and leg thing, its just like ointment. If you put it on your leg and then your arm, it would register where it is and just use those cells in that place.

I would think an empire as technologically advanced as the Combine/Universal Union would be able to iron out kinks, errors, and glitches fairly quickly. Especially a medicine that, occasionally, causes fucking cancer. I think they'd notice that VERY quickly and roll out a fix pretty quick. Pretty serious defect for them to just ignore, if you ask me.

But also take into mind that the Combine really don't fucking care at all about humans as a whole and simply want them as a recourse like slaves and soldiers (OTA). Of course they would try and fix the cancer thing but they will put it off for a while, not come out with an update instantly, because they have better stuff to do than that.

But did the combine actually use the bio gel? I know in TC lore they did, but in the actual hl2 universe didn't they just use the health machines on the walls? Or is that biogel?

The health machines on the wall are pretty much bio-gel I think.
But I also want to bring up another point. When you look at the top left on a CCA character you will occasionally see 'Restoring physically body systems' if you take damage (Or something like that). So... Aren't the CCA suits sort of similar to the HEV suits in a way?

They are, but not as like super 1337 as Gordon Freeman's.

How about this:






Pros
--------
-Increases Mitosis (cells regenerate and repair faster)
-Provides a barrier on the wound.
-Provides antibiotics to prevent infection.
-Wounds heal faster (a gunshot wound would only take 2-3 days to heal rather then a month)
-Can be ingested to help with internal wounds.
-Not difficult to administer with little medical training.

Cons
-----
-Chance to cause scarring.
-Causes stinging if used without a sedative.
-Reactive to certain chemicals


Usage
You will apply it directly on the area to invoke the effects. If you have a wound and it is being treated, your body will need to heal itself. Biogel only helps treat the wound fast. You must administer a sedative on larger wounds, can be severely painful if not administered properly. Used commonly in the HELIX Division.







Pros
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-Increases Mitosis and Calcium at a very high level (cells regenerate and repair faster)
-Provides a barrier on the wound.
-Provides antibiotics to prevent infection.
-Can be ingested to help with internal wounds.
-Can help broken limbs/torn muscles to heal faster.
-Will Stop hemorrhage.

Cons
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-If Exterior, Scarring will be left behind
-Causes severe and deadly stinging if used without a sedative.
-Extremely reactive to certain chemicals
-If used incorrectly can lead to a tumour


Usage
Must be applied directly to the impact point and smoothed around to balance the healing with little clumping (Precise amount must be used). Must be used by highly trained HELIX professionals. Sedative must be applied, It is crucial, the patient will die if this is not done. 

^ Love this, added to OP.

[Poll Added]

Didnt read the revised part, +1 to yes remove my no

Okay so from now on just add one to yes and subtract one from no.

Bio-gel doesn't have any of those negative effects besides cancer, and that happens if you take biogel too much too quickly. Not if applied incorrectly.
I'm -support, I'll be blunt, i think its stupid that we actually have to go and make our own version of biogel because some dude decided to insta-heal when he takes the magic green goo.

This is sillier than my STIM idea.
Extreme and deadly pain if you improperly apply magic healing goo which you actually only need to consume or rub on the wounded area in the first place. Just what?
My inital reaction to the revised version, click if you dare.

Spoiler:

Meleepayne wrote:Bio-gel doesn't have any of those negative effects besides cancer, and that happens if you take biogel too much too quickly. Not if applied incorrectly.
I'm -support, I'll be blunt, i think its stupid that we actually have to go and make our own version of biogel because some dude decided to insta-heal when he takes the magic green goo.

This is sillier than my STIM idea.
Extreme and deadly pain if you improperly apply magic healing goo which you actually only need to consume or rub on the wounded area in the first place. Just what?
My inital reaction to the revised version, click if you dare.

Spoiler:

Um, first off , this is nothing like your STIM Idea, your STIM Idea had 021040140 trillion negative affects on OTA. Which doesn't make any sense at all. Second off I also told you about making insulting posts like this, I will not tell you again. Thirdly, it WILL cause severe damage because it is super bio-gel, not just the regular shit, something developed for purposes to be performed with care. Since you like to negative support like freaking everything on the surface of TC, I will not get through to you but this is not because people use it and are magically healed, NO. This is so that people understand how the actual thing itself works. The regular bio-gel has minimum cons, cons that would realistically happen, they are barely anything though. The stinging isn't bad at all, but if you were to rub gel into an open wound with no kind of sedative, you would feel pain, just a sting, the gel itself will not make the pain go away. I added the super bio-gel which is actually used a lot by me IC when doing HELIX procedures so that there is a type with negative affects that will only happen if someone fucks up which is why it is to be used by the people who won't (The High ranking HELIX units). Think about what you are -supporting here, it is no different than how bio-gel has always worked it is just so people don't spread it on like jam and go "I'm better now, let's kick some ass".


This is mostly a justification to how it works and I would like to see your revision to it if you really think it should be -supported.

HollerHavoc wrote:

Meleepayne wrote:Bio-gel doesn't have any of those negative effects besides cancer, and that happens if you take biogel too much too quickly. Not if applied incorrectly.
I'm -support, I'll be blunt, i think its stupid that we actually have to go and make our own version of biogel because some dude decided to insta-heal when he takes the magic green goo.

This is sillier than my STIM idea.
Extreme and deadly pain if you improperly apply magic healing goo which you actually only need to consume or rub on the wounded area in the first place. Just what?
My inital reaction to the revised version, click if you dare.

Spoiler:

Um, first off , this is nothing like your STIM Idea, your STIM Idea had 021040140 trillion negative affects on OTA. Which doesn't make any sense at all. Second off I also told you about making insulting posts like this, I will not tell you again. Thirdly, it WILL cause severe damage because it is super bio-gel, not just the regular shit, something developed for purposes to be performed with care. Since you like to negative support like freaking everything on the surface of TC, I will not get through to you but this is not because people use it and are magically healed, NO. This is so that people understand how the actual thing itself works. The regular bio-gel has minimum cons, cons that would realistically happen, they are barely anything though. The stinging isn't bad at all, but if you were to rub gel into an open wound with no kind of sedative, you would feel pain, just a sting, the gel itself will not make the pain go away. I added the super bio-gel which is actually used a lot by me IC when doing HELIX procedures so that there is a type with negative affects that will only happen if someone fucks up which is why it is to be used by the people who won't (The High ranking HELIX units). Think about what you are -supporting here, it is no different than how bio-gel has always worked it is just so people don't spread it on like jam and go "I'm better now, let's kick some ass".


This is mostly a justification to how it works and I would like to see your revision to it if you really think it should be -supported.

Okay, calm down. If i was a noobstrike I'd tell you to go get a bag and breath into it a few times.

:::Seriousness:::
-I don't like to auto -negative support everything as you'd like to believe like its my motherfucking religion or something, I'm negative supporting because I do believe this idea is now simply ridiculous, don't say something like that again. I am quite honestly offended.

-Now this is biogel, you know how polysporin has this version of it with a transcluent substance in it that stings and theres a version of it which is a white cream, has the same effect and doesn't sting? Biogel would be the white polysporin, its a healing goo made by the combine, and It's ALWAYS been that bio-gel does not cause scarring, and biogel doesn't require you to be careful with it, all you have to do is ingest or rub it on an area and it will do its work. It doesn't cause stinging and it sure as hell wouldn't cause severe and deadly stinging if you don't knock someones ass out before applying it. Why would the combine even develop something like that, someone could have a fractured bone in the middle of a firefight and the only medic is dead. You can't just ass-pull a "Wake-the-fuck-up" Syringe right there.
Also the patient will DIE
DIE
Bio-gel does not make the patient DIE
That's the biggest reason on why I -supported.

I hope this makes you happy.

Spoiler:

/me splatters bio-gel on wound

"All good."

^ This is exactly why we need to have these kinds of rules / regulations to stop people from doing this.

Slashraider wrote:^ This is exactly why we need to have these kinds of rules / regulations to stop people from doing this.

If thats the problem all you need to do is enforce the rule that biogel doesn't cause instant healing, no need to go and add in biogel side effects that make you die if you put it on incorrectly.
Seriously.